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		<title>By: barneyb</title>
		<link>https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2007/02/16/ajax-sigh-pet-peeve/comment-page-1/#comment-6853</link>
		<dc:creator>barneyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Actually, I greatly dislike using Flex apps where they don&#039;t have something profound to bring to the table.  If WordPress switched to a Flex UI, there is no question that I&#039;d be dropping it in a heartbeat.  A content management app like WordPress is horribly suited to a Flex front end, the HTML paradigm is very reasonable, and if properly dressed with a bit of ajaxing where needed, far surpasses anything a Flex app could provide without a HUGE investment of time and effort (maybe at all).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>Actually, I greatly dislike using Flex apps where they don't have something profound to bring to the table.  If WordPress switched to a Flex UI, there is no question that I'd be dropping it in a heartbeat.  A content management app like WordPress is horribly suited to a Flex front end, the HTML paradigm is very reasonable, and if properly dressed with a bit of ajaxing where needed, far surpasses anything a Flex app could provide without a HUGE investment of time and effort (maybe at all).</p>
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		<title>By: barneyb</title>
		<link>https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2007/02/16/ajax-sigh-pet-peeve/comment-page-1/#comment-6852</link>
		<dc:creator>barneyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rey,

I&#039;ve heard little but good things about jQuery, though I can&#039;t say I&#039;ve tried it myself.  I&#039;ve never build an all-ajax app (can&#039;t see the point), so I&#039;m usually more concerned with making little snippets of an existing HTML app more user friendly.  Maybe it&#039;s little inline server-side validation routines, or a single drag&#039;n&#039;drop form, or some autosave functionality, not not the whole UI.

As such, Prototype and Scriptaculous is about all the futher I&#039;ve gone with ajax frameworks, aside from some custom glue code of course.  I&#039;m sure they&#039;re not the best choices, but they&#039;re the ones I&#039;m familiar with, and I don&#039;t find them lacking, so I haven&#039;t gone investigating other options.  jQuery would definitely be on the list if/when I do go looking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rey,</p>
<p>I've heard little but good things about jQuery, though I can't say I've tried it myself.  I've never build an all-ajax app (can't see the point), so I'm usually more concerned with making little snippets of an existing HTML app more user friendly.  Maybe it's little inline server-side validation routines, or a single drag'n'drop form, or some autosave functionality, not not the whole UI.</p>
<p>As such, Prototype and Scriptaculous is about all the futher I've gone with ajax frameworks, aside from some custom glue code of course.  I'm sure they're not the best choices, but they're the ones I'm familiar with, and I don't find them lacking, so I haven't gone investigating other options.  jQuery would definitely be on the list if/when I do go looking.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2007/02/16/ajax-sigh-pet-peeve/comment-page-1/#comment-6845</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If u like Flex so much, I want to know will you like to use wordpress again if it is completely develop by Flex?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If u like Flex so much, I want to know will you like to use wordpress again if it is completely develop by Flex?</p>
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		<title>By: Rey Bango</title>
		<link>https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2007/02/16/ajax-sigh-pet-peeve/comment-page-1/#comment-6796</link>
		<dc:creator>Rey Bango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Barney, good point bud. 

Thankfully, you&#039;re able to see that the shortcomings of one site isn&#039;t the fault of this great technology. Something that you may want to look at is the TacoNite plugin from the jQuery project:

http://www.malsup.com/jquery/taconite/

It allows you to update multiple DOM elements from 1 Ajax call. The example that you gave would be a perfect scenario in which to use it.

Check it out. You&#039;ll need the awesome Ajax/Javascript library, jQuery (http://jquery.com) in order to use it. I&#039;m part of the jQuery project team so if you need any assistance, please let me know. As Ben Nadel found out (http://www.bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:513.view), the jQuery team is very helpful. :o)

Rey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Barney, good point bud. </p>
<p>Thankfully, you're able to see that the shortcomings of one site isn't the fault of this great technology. Something that you may want to look at is the TacoNite plugin from the jQuery project:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.malsup.com/jquery/taconite/" rel="nofollow">http://www.malsup.com/jquery/taconite/</a></p>
<p>It allows you to update multiple DOM elements from 1 Ajax call. The example that you gave would be a perfect scenario in which to use it.</p>
<p>Check it out. You'll need the awesome Ajax/Javascript library, jQuery (<a href="http://jquery.com" rel="nofollow">http://jquery.com</a>) in order to use it. I'm part of the jQuery project team so if you need any assistance, please let me know. As Ben Nadel found out (<a href="http://www.bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:513.view" rel="nofollow">http://www.bennadel.com/index.cfm?dax=blog:513.view</a>), the jQuery team is very helpful. :o)</p>
<p>Rey</p>
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		<title>By: Danlance</title>
		<link>https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2007/02/16/ajax-sigh-pet-peeve/comment-page-1/#comment-6779</link>
		<dc:creator>Danlance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair point...

BTW the standard keyboard shortcut within windows for &quot;Close Window&quot; is ctrl   F4 - All the other MS apps I&#039;ve used (Including enterprise Manager) support this shortcut - I&#039;d be interested in knowing whther this works in MS SQL Studio...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair point&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW the standard keyboard shortcut within windows for "Close Window" is ctrl   F4 &#8211; All the other MS apps I've used (Including enterprise Manager) support this shortcut &#8211; I'd be interested in knowing whther this works in MS SQL Studio&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: barneyb</title>
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		<dc:creator>barneyb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree about the open source vs. commercial application.  I&#039;ve seen plenty of similar issues with commercial offerings.  WordPress just happened to be the most recent example I&#039;d run across.  Rather different paradim, but MS SQL Server Studio (the thing that used to be &#039;Enterprise Manager&#039;) doesn&#039;t let you close windows except with the mouse or the window manager - no keyboard shortcut (such as CTRL-W).

Of course, annoying or not, they&#039;re not going to make me switch platforms, even if cost didn&#039;t weigh into the equation.  I was more pointing it out as a general warning.  The purpose of doing ajax stuff instead of simple page-based apps is to improve the user experience.  But with the benefits comes a new set of pitfalls.  With a UI, experience is everything, and consistent is far more important fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree about the open source vs. commercial application.  I've seen plenty of similar issues with commercial offerings.  WordPress just happened to be the most recent example I'd run across.  Rather different paradim, but MS SQL Server Studio (the thing that used to be 'Enterprise Manager') doesn't let you close windows except with the mouse or the window manager &#8211; no keyboard shortcut (such as CTRL-W).</p>
<p>Of course, annoying or not, they're not going to make me switch platforms, even if cost didn't weigh into the equation.  I was more pointing it out as a general warning.  The purpose of doing ajax stuff instead of simple page-based apps is to improve the user experience.  But with the benefits comes a new set of pitfalls.  With a UI, experience is everything, and consistent is far more important fast.</p>
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		<title>By: Danlance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danlance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totslly agree with you there - I&#039;ve been caught out by that one a few times...

Whilst I&#039;m sure this is abit of a sweeping statement, it does often seem to be that one of the penalties of using Open Source Software (such as Wordpress) is there is not the attention to detail that there has to be with most commercial applications, particularly when it comes to inconsistiencies (rather than exceptions) within the software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totslly agree with you there &#8211; I've been caught out by that one a few times&#8230;</p>
<p>Whilst I'm sure this is abit of a sweeping statement, it does often seem to be that one of the penalties of using Open Source Software (such as Wordpress) is there is not the attention to detail that there has to be with most commercial applications, particularly when it comes to inconsistiencies (rather than exceptions) within the software.</p>
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