Comments on: Application Modelling https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2006/04/12/application-modelling/ Thoughts, rants, and even some code from the mind of Barney Boisvert. Thu, 11 Sep 2014 09:58:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Simon G https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2006/04/12/application-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-332 Simon G Wed, 03 May 2006 02:31:58 +0000 http://barneyb.com/barneyblog/?p=155#comment-332 I forgo round tripping and generate one way from the Model. I use AndroMDA for generating the architecture (http://www.andromda.org/) and MagicDraw for UML modelling (http://www.magicdraw.com/). A bit of a learning curve, but have found this combination to be really great. This generates a complete Spring/Hibernate/Axis stack for me. I can vary any of the generated code by modifying the code templates (in velocity), and am very happy with the whole lot! I forgo round tripping and generate one way from the Model. I use AndroMDA for generating the architecture (http://www.andromda.org/) and MagicDraw for UML modelling (http://www.magicdraw.com/).

A bit of a learning curve, but have found this combination to be really great. This generates a complete Spring/Hibernate/Axis stack for me. I can vary any of the generated code by modifying the code templates (in velocity), and am very happy with the whole lot!

]]> By: Barney https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2006/04/12/application-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-331 Barney Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:11:49 +0000 http://barneyb.com/barneyblog/?p=155#comment-331 Sorry Chris. Wasn't very clear. PIER is the application my company provides. We're in the modelling phase of a complete rebuild, which was the impetus for the post. The functional focus won't change across the rebuild, but the platform it's built upon will be dramatically different to suit the changing needs of our customers. In a nutshell, PIER's an online communications management suite, designed for daily usage (issuing press releases and such), but particularly suited for communications in a crisis. So if your oil refinery blows up, there's a hurricane and your city's underwater, or your merchant ship goes aground, you have an integrated communications tool to coordinate your response with the media, your stakeholders, employees, and the public. And since it's web based, you can get your public affairs team in Washington, the on-site response team in Alaska, and your lawyers in Chicago all collaborating as if they're in the same room, because they effectively are. Sorry Chris. Wasn't very clear. PIER is the application my company provides. We're in the modelling phase of a complete rebuild, which was the impetus for the post. The functional focus won't change across the rebuild, but the platform it's built upon will be dramatically different to suit the changing needs of our customers.

In a nutshell, PIER's an online communications management suite, designed for daily usage (issuing press releases and such), but particularly suited for communications in a crisis. So if your oil refinery blows up, there's a hurricane and your city's underwater, or your merchant ship goes aground, you have an integrated communications tool to coordinate your response with the media, your stakeholders, employees, and the public. And since it's web based, you can get your public affairs team in Washington, the on-site response team in Alaska, and your lawyers in Chicago all collaborating as if they're in the same room, because they effectively are.

]]> By: Chris Velevitch https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2006/04/12/application-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-330 Chris Velevitch Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:39:54 +0000 http://barneyb.com/barneyblog/?p=155#comment-330 So what are you saying? Are you now dumping PIER for EclipseUML? What is PIER anyway? You didn't provide a url for it. So what are you saying? Are you now dumping PIER for EclipseUML? What is PIER anyway? You didn't provide a url for it.

]]> By: Barney https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2006/04/12/application-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-329 Barney Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:21:00 +0000 http://barneyb.com/barneyblog/?p=155#comment-329 Mike, I did look at EA, and had a couple issues with it, the largest being that it's for windows, and I run a Linux workstation. They say it's supported with CrossOver Office, but I've never had good luck with Windows emulators on Linux. It also makes no mention of Java 5 support, which is of great import to me. But you're right, it's a very good deal for the money if it's got what you need. Mike,

I did look at EA, and had a couple issues with it, the largest being that it's for windows, and I run a Linux workstation. They say it's supported with CrossOver Office, but I've never had good luck with Windows emulators on Linux. It also makes no mention of Java 5 support, which is of great import to me. But you're right, it's a very good deal for the money if it's got what you need.

]]> By: Barney https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2006/04/12/application-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-328 Barney Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:09:40 +0000 http://barneyb.com/barneyblog/?p=155#comment-328 I'm happy to say that today I found a reasonably nice tool that meets my requirements (Java 5, round-tripping, decent UI), and it's build upon Eclipse from top to bottom to boot. It's called EclipseUML from Omondo (http://www.omondo.com/). The down side, of course, is that it's !990 euro for a single seat, which is like 2500 USD, so certainly not cheap. However, compared to all the other tools out there, it's not terribly expensive for the feature set, and they have a [integration-crippled] free version to boot. I'm happy to say that today I found a reasonably nice tool that meets my requirements (Java 5, round-tripping, decent UI), and it's build upon Eclipse from top to bottom to boot. It's called EclipseUML from Omondo (http://www.omondo.com/).

The down side, of course, is that it's !990 euro for a single seat, which is like 2500 USD, so certainly not cheap. However, compared to all the other tools out there, it's not terribly expensive for the feature set, and they have a [integration-crippled] free version to boot.

]]> By: Maxim Porges https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2006/04/12/application-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-327 Maxim Porges Fri, 14 Apr 2006 01:04:11 +0000 http://barneyb.com/barneyblog/?p=155#comment-327 We did a full scale search for good OO modelling tools with UML to Java translation. Unfortunately, the only one we found worth buying was IBM's Rational Software Architect, which is about $8K per node. If you just want to model without round trip (lame as noted in your post) Rational Software Modeler is pretty good... it's basically RSA without code generation. But seriously, what good is that? If you can't round trip then your spending time syncing models and code, which is no fun at all. When it comes to OO modeling tools, there's really nothing good out there for the little guy... at least not from what I've seen to date. - max We did a full scale search for good OO modelling tools with UML to Java translation. Unfortunately, the only one we found worth buying was IBM's Rational Software Architect, which is about $8K per node.

If you just want to model without round trip (lame as noted in your post) Rational Software Modeler is pretty good… it's basically RSA without code generation. But seriously, what good is that? If you can't round trip then your spending time syncing models and code, which is no fun at all.

When it comes to OO modeling tools, there's really nothing good out there for the little guy… at least not from what I've seen to date.

- max

]]> By: Mike Rankin https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2006/04/12/application-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-326 Mike Rankin Fri, 14 Apr 2006 00:49:24 +0000 http://barneyb.com/barneyblog/?p=155#comment-326 I don't know if it's one of the products you've looked at or if it provides exactly what you're looking for, but I've found Enterprise Architect to be very helpful in the modeling area. I don't use it for any code round-tripping, but I know they have an eclipse/java add-on that claims to support this function. It is however, much less expensive than almost everything else I looked at when I was searching for a solution. I actually chose this product over the Poseidon product. You can find it at http://www.sparxsystems.com.au Good Luck! I don't know if it's one of the products you've looked at or if it provides exactly what you're looking for, but I've found Enterprise Architect to be very helpful in the modeling area. I don't use it for any code round-tripping, but I know they have an eclipse/java add-on that claims to support this function.

It is however, much less expensive than almost everything else I looked at when I was searching for a solution. I actually chose this product over the Poseidon product. You can find it at http://www.sparxsystems.com.au

Good Luck!

]]> By: Barney https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2006/04/12/application-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-325 Barney Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:30:28 +0000 http://barneyb.com/barneyblog/?p=155#comment-325 Yeah, horribly slow. And while it requires Java 5 to run, it's only capable of round-tripping Java 1.4 code. So it fails both criteria, though it did have nice Eclipse integration, which is a plus. ;) Yeah, horribly slow. And while it requires Java 5 to run, it's only capable of round-tripping Java 1.4 code. So it fails both criteria, though it did have nice Eclipse integration, which is a plus. ;)

]]> By: Haikal https://www.barneyb.com/barneyblog/2006/04/12/application-modelling/comment-page-1/#comment-324 Haikal Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:27:35 +0000 http://barneyb.com/barneyblog/?p=155#comment-324 I presume you tried Poseidon? It did an OK job, but what drove me to the edge was the whole click on something, wait five minutes and then start typing. Hate Pure Java user interfaces :D I presume you tried Poseidon? It did an OK job, but what drove me to the edge was the whole click on something, wait five minutes and then start typing. Hate Pure Java user interfaces :D

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